Here’s a paraphrase of something he said:
If you’re writing about matters of faith, you have to be vigilant against cliche and grandiosity.
So go through your work and look for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir—those moments with the angelic choir, bathed in light and going “ahhhhhhhhh.” Take those out. Faith is too messy and gritty for them. Instead, replace them with James Brown.
May your day be funky, friends.